Summoning Stone's AI - Guild Wars Forums

tocool4muffins · Apr 05, 2011, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I have a few questions about the summoning stone ally's AI system.

1. If I click and talk to the ally, will that ally stop following me? If I do it again, will it begin to follow me again? (Similar to Ghostly Hero)

2. Somewhat related to one. If in battle, and I retreat, will the ally follow me out of battle or will it fight till the death, regardless whether or not the entire party retreated?

3. What summoning stone ally, out of all the consumables (Norn, Asuran, Dwarf, Ebon, Kurzick and Luxon summoning stones) are the best?
My wage would be the Juggernaut (Kurzick Summoning Stone.)

Thanks for your time and help

Silmar Alech · Apr 05, 2011, 02:53 PM // 14:53

1. no. They always follow the one who summoned them.
2. if it is actively engaged in combat, attacking and being attacked, a summon remains and don't follow you when you retreat out of battle. This way, I lost many summons, but was also saved often by a summon because it gave me time to retreat.
3. This is a point for discussion. In my opinion, the most desirable summons are the Gaki (very decent healer) and the Siege Turtle (almost undestroyable).

Bristlebane · Apr 05, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I summoned a Siege Turtle against a group of Pine Souls outside Boreal Station, Hard Mode. While they were pounding on Siege Turle my spirits was killing them off, and at end of the battle Siege Turtle was still alive.

Quaker · Apr 05, 2011, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I was farming Leather Claws (for the Traveler) yesterday, and I used a Mercantile stone to clean out my backpack. The Merchant was using a sword and continued to fight until I zoned.
Which says nothing about the OP's questions, but it's interesting that the Merchant can be used as a fighter too, although he's certainly not the best.

Crom The Pale · Apr 05, 2011, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I have to say the summon stones can be very unpredictable. I got a Black Beast of Aaaaaaarrrrrrg! the other day and it slaughtered its way through most foes with ease.

I have yet to use the celestial stones and wonder if they are any better then the standard stones out there?

HigherMinion · Apr 05, 2011, 09:13 PM // 21:13

The survivability I don't think is to do with health/armour levels, but their survival skills. All summoning stones have several self-heals+tank skills, so as not to be a waste of a stone and die quickly.

If they aggro something, they will attack it till it's dead or you're dead. It won't follow you

akelarumi · Apr 05, 2011, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Whats the best summoning? hmmmm. It depends on the task ahead. But if it comes to tanking I would say the merchant summon. I remember doing bloodstone fen in HM with a few guildies. One of them forgot to empty inventory so i pulled him out (forgetting bout the bonus and not killing certin enemy;s). So I tried to get rid of him. But he tanked solo all the way to the bonus area and beyond (ruining the bonus on the way).

So in bloodstone fen, don't bring him before you did the bonus. But if you need a good tank that deals good damage, bring him, and whenever your inventory is full he even helps you make some room

Nilator · Apr 05, 2011, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Siege Turtle is pretty good.
Pretty high damage via turtle siege, healing done via healing spring.

Ghastly's are pretty good too if you are willing to dish out 2k per stone.

Kojima · Apr 06, 2011, 01:24 AM // 01:24

I have never used the celestial stones before and was actually wondering if it is a one time summon like the rest.

tocool4muffins · Apr 06, 2011, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silmar Alech

1. no. They always follow the one who summoned them.
2. if it is actively engaged in combat, attacking and being attacked, a summon remains and don't follow you when you retreat out of battle. This way, I lost many summons, but was also saved often by a summon because it gave me time to retreat.

Thank you so much Silmar Alech. This information was incredibly helpful.

Verene · Apr 06, 2011, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

I have to say the summon stones can be very unpredictable. I got a Black Beast of Aaaaaaarrrrrrg! the other day and it slaughtered its way through most foes with ease.

I have yet to use the celestial stones and wonder if they are any better then the standard stones out there?

The Black Beast is, well, a beast. I popped a mysterious stone once when we were screwing around in UW (five people and no healer, woooo...no, that was not a planned trip. Still a load of fun though!) and got the Black Beast, and it tanked/killed most of the chaos planes on its own. It was hilarious and awesome.

Zenzai · Apr 06, 2011, 04:17 AM // 04:17

This. Siege Turtles and Gakis are Good Omens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silmar Alech

1. no. They always follow the one who summoned them.
2. if it is actively engaged in combat, attacking and being attacked, a summon remains and don't follow you when you retreat out of battle. This way, I lost many summons, but was also saved often by a summon because it gave me time to retreat.
3. This is a point for discussion. In my opinion, the most desirable summons are the Gaki (very decent healer) and the Siege Turtle (almost undestroyable).

Lasai · Apr 06, 2011, 04:30 AM // 04:30

The ones that always surprise me are the wintersday summons, they seem to survive very well using their little snow forts and it is always funny to see one pop up.

shanaya · Apr 06, 2011, 05:49 AM // 05:49

I suspect, but am not certain, that summoned allies take a share of loot. I've been farming snow wurms in HM outside Boreal for XP and when I use a summoning stone, to speed things up, it seems like I get fewer drops. Not sure about this though.

HigherMinion · Apr 06, 2011, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Pr0ni summon is a pretty cool guy; he spams Jagged Strike and doesn't afraid of anything! Survives well on it's own for a sin, too.

Apr 05, 2011, 02:43 PM // 14:43	#1
tocool4muffins Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Rindge, NH Profession: R/Rt	Summoning Stone's AI I have a few questions about the summoning stone ally's AI system. 1. If I click and talk to the ally, will that ally stop following me? If I do it again, will it begin to follow me again? (Similar to Ghostly Hero) 2. Somewhat related to one. If in battle, and I retreat, will the ally follow me out of battle or will it fight till the death, regardless whether or not the entire party retreated? 3. What summoning stone ally, out of all the consumables (Norn, Asuran, Dwarf, Ebon, Kurzick and Luxon summoning stones) are the best? My wage would be the Juggernaut (Kurzick Summoning Stone.) Thanks for your time and help

Apr 05, 2011, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#2
Silmar Alech Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Europe Guild: Tom Son [TS] Profession: E/	1. no. They always follow the one who summoned them. 2. if it is actively engaged in combat, attacking and being attacked, a summon remains and don't follow you when you retreat out of battle. This way, I lost many summons, but was also saved often by a summon because it gave me time to retreat. 3. This is a point for discussion. In my opinion, the most desirable summons are the Gaki (very decent healer) and the Siege Turtle (almost undestroyable).

Apr 05, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54	#3
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	I summoned a Siege Turtle against a group of Pine Souls outside Boreal Station, Hard Mode. While they were pounding on Siege Turle my spirits was killing them off, and at end of the battle Siege Turtle was still alive.

Apr 05, 2011, 06:42 PM // 18:42	#4
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	I was farming Leather Claws (for the Traveler) yesterday, and I used a Mercantile stone to clean out my backpack. The Merchant was using a sword and continued to fight until I zoned. Which says nothing about the OP's questions, but it's interesting that the Merchant can be used as a fighter too, although he's certainly not the best.

Apr 05, 2011, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#5
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	I have to say the summon stones can be very unpredictable. I got a Black Beast of Aaaaaaarrrrrrg! the other day and it slaughtered its way through most foes with ease. I have yet to use the celestial stones and wonder if they are any better then the standard stones out there?

Apr 05, 2011, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#6
HigherMinion Forge Runner Join Date: May 2008 Location: East Anglia, UK Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	The survivability I don't think is to do with health/armour levels, but their survival skills. All summoning stones have several self-heals+tank skills, so as not to be a waste of a stone and die quickly. If they aggro something, they will attack it till it's dead or you're dead. It won't follow you

Apr 05, 2011, 11:43 PM // 23:43	#7
akelarumi Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2009 Profession: E/	Whats the best summoning? hmmmm. It depends on the task ahead. But if it comes to tanking I would say the merchant summon. I remember doing bloodstone fen in HM with a few guildies. One of them forgot to empty inventory so i pulled him out (forgetting bout the bonus and not killing certin enemy;s). So I tried to get rid of him. But he tanked solo all the way to the bonus area and beyond (ruining the bonus on the way). So in bloodstone fen, don't bring him before you did the bonus. But if you need a good tank that deals good damage, bring him, and whenever your inventory is full he even helps you make some room

Apr 05, 2011, 11:53 PM // 23:53	#8
Nilator Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: Mo/	Siege Turtle is pretty good. Pretty high damage via turtle siege, healing done via healing spring. Ghastly's are pretty good too if you are willing to dish out 2k per stone.

Apr 06, 2011, 01:24 AM // 01:24	#9
Kojima Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Home Guild: En Caligne Veritas [DARK] Profession: R/Rt	I have never used the celestial stones before and was actually wondering if it is a one time summon like the rest.

Apr 06, 2011, 04:30 AM // 04:30	#13
Lasai Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2009 Profession: R/	The ones that always surprise me are the wintersday summons, they seem to survive very well using their little snow forts and it is always funny to see one pop up.

Apr 06, 2011, 05:49 AM // 05:49	#14
shanaya Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Scouts of Tyria Profession: R/	I suspect, but am not certain, that summoned allies take a share of loot. I've been farming snow wurms in HM outside Boreal for XP and when I use a summoning stone, to speed things up, it seems like I get fewer drops. Not sure about this though.

Apr 06, 2011, 09:45 AM // 09:45	#15
HigherMinion Forge Runner Join Date: May 2008 Location: East Anglia, UK Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	Pr0ni summon is a pretty cool guy; he spams Jagged Strike and doesn't afraid of anything! Survives well on it's own for a sin, too.